Réver....il en restera quelque chose !

allez pkoi pas

l'ile du bonheur ;-)

rire

tout simplement
L ILE-ET -OH

je préconise simplement

L'ILE...

à force de rêver......

de lire,de suivre les fils d'HeO,je suis tombé sur un fil de Gébé,citant Janichon disant que son île,il l'avait trouvée:c'est son navire!
Et bien mon île,ça y est,je l'ai trouvée,sous la forme d'un vieux Vulcain en ferraille et elle s'appelle:Santa-Lucia ;-)
Cordialement,jacquot

pour apporter mon grain de sable à la plage

comme proposition, l'ile Hédénautres :alavotre:

hips !!!

m'sieur fla. .. faloc ....falcor (pffff dur à dire !!!)
là sur ce coup, vous zabusez !!!! hipppssss

sur ces bonnes parloes je retourne cuver !

Il y a moyen

de devenir roi ou prince d'une île indépendante:

mode d'emploi:

History Of Sealand

During World War II, the United Kingdom decided to establish a number of military bases, the purpose of which was to defend England against German air raids. These sea forts housed enough troops to man and maintain artillery designed to shoot down German aircraft and missiles. They were situated along the east coast of England on the edge of the English territorial waters.

One of these bases, consisting of concrete and steel construction, was the famous royal fort Roughs Tower situated slightly north of the estuary region of the Thames River. In contrast to the original plan to locate the tower within the sovereign territory of England, this fortress was situated at a distance of approximately 7 nautical miles from the coast, which is more than double the then applicable 3 mile range of territorial waters; to put it briefly, this island was situated in the international waters of the North Sea.

After WWII ended, the troops were withdrawn from all bases by the British Admiralty. None of them was ever used by the United Kingdom again, leaving the forts deserted and abandoned. Except for the aforementioned fortress, the bases were subsequently pulled down. This resulted in the portentous uniqueness of the fortress. Fort Roughs Tower, situated at the high seas, had been deserted and abandoned, res derelicta and terra nullius. From a legal point of view, it therefore constituted extra-national territory.
The Birth of Sealand

This paved the way for occupation. On 2 September 1967, former English major Paddy Roy Bates formally occupied the island and settled there with his family. After intensive discussions with skillful English lawyers, Roy Bates proclaimed the island his own state. Claiming jus gentium, he bestowed upon himself the title of Prince and the title of Princess to his wife and subsequently made the state the Principality of Sealand. Roy Bates, henceforth Roy of Sealand, exerted state authority on the island and thus was an absolute sovereign. The royal family and other persons that have declared loyalty to Sealand have occupied Sealand ever since.
Initial Challenge to Sealand's Sovereignty

By late 1968, the British navy had become aware of the new situation off the coast of England. They were interested in terminating the state of affairs brought about by an error committed by the most senior military authorities without causing too much uproar.

Units of the navy entered the territorial waters claimed by Roy of Sealand. As he was aware of his sovereignty, Roy of Sealand threatened the navy by undertaking defensive activity. Shots were fired from Sealand in warning.

Since Roy of Sealand was still an English citizen, he was thus accused of extensive crimes in Britain and was summoned to an English court. The result of this lawsuit in Chelmsford, Essex was a spectacular success for Sealand's claim to sovereignty. In its judgment of 25 November 1968, the court declared that it was not competent in Roy of Sealand's case as it could not exert any jurisdiction outside of British national territory. This is the first de facto recognition of the Principality of Sealand. English law had ruled that Sealand was not part of the United Kingdom, nor did any other nation claim it, hence Prince Roy's declaration of a new Sovereign State was de facto upheld.
Building a New Nation

Seven years later on 25 September 1975, Roy of Sealand proclaimed the Constitution of the Principality. Over time, other national treasures were developed, such as the flag of the Principality of Sealand, its national anthem, stamps, as well as gold and silver coins launched as Sealand Dollars. Finally, passports of the Principality of Sealand were issued to those who had helped Sealand in some way, though they were never for sale.
Sealand Fights Off Invaders (and Wins a War)

In August of 1978, a number of Dutch men came to Sealand in the employ of a German businessman. They were there to discuss business dealings with Sealand. While Roy was away in Britain, these men kidnapped Prince Roy's son Michael, and took Sealand by force. Soon after, Roy recaptured the island with a group of his own men and held the attackers as prisoners of war.

During the time that he held the prisoners, the Governments of the Netherlands and Germany petitioned for their release. First they asked England to intervene in the matter, but the British government cited their earlier court decision as evidence that they made no claim to the territory of Sealand. Then, in an act of de facto recognition of Sealand's sovereignty, Germany sent a diplomat directly to Sealand to negotiate for the release of their citizen.

Roy first released the Dutch citizens, as the war was over, and the Geneva Convention requires the release of all prisoners. The German was held longer, as he had accepted a Sealand Passport, and therefore was guilty of treason. Prince Roy, who was grateful that the incident had not resulted in a loss of life, and did not want to bloody the reputation of Sealand, eventually released him as well.
Extension of Territorial Waters

On 1 October, 1987, Britain extended its territorial waters from 3 to 12 nautical miles. The previous day, Prince Roy declared the extension of Sealand's territorial waters to be a like 12 nautical miles, so that right of way from the open sea to Sealand would not be blocked by British claimed waters. No treaty has been signed between Britain and Sealand to divide up the overlapping areas, but a general policy of dividing the area between the two countries down the middle can be assumed. International law does not allow the claim of new land during the extension of sea rights, so Sealand's sovereignty was safely "grandfathered" in. Britain has no more right to Sealand's territory than Sealand has to the territory of the British coastline that falls within its claimed 12 nautical mile arc.

Some nations might have tried to use this as an excuse to try to claim all of the territory of the weaker and not well recognized nation regardless of international law, however, this has not been the case. Britain has made no attempt to take Sealand, and the British government still treats it as an independent State. Prince Roy continues to pay no British National Insurance during the time he resides on Sealand subsequent to a ruling by the British Department of Health and Social Security's solicitor's branch. Also, there was another fire arms incident in 1990 when a ship strayed too near Sealand and warning shots were again fired. The ship's crew made complaints to British authorities and a newspaper article ran detailing the incident. Yet despite Britain's severe prohibition of firearms, British authorities have never pursued the matter. This is a clear indication that Britain's Home Office still considers Sealand to be outside their zone of control.
Fake Sealand Passports

In 1997, forged Sealand passports started tuning up around the world. Some of these were used to open bank accounts under false names in various countries. Since few people have ever seen a legitimate Sealand passport (less than 300 exist today) it was difficult for these to be easily detected as forgeries. The source of these forgeries was traced back to the same German man who was involved in the earlier attempt to take Sealand by force. Dubbing himself Minister of Finance, he had created a fake Sealand Business Foundation and boasts that he has sold over 150 000 fake Sealand Passports to all comers. Thus there are now unfortunately 500 times more forged Sealand Passports in circulation than real ones. Many of the forged passports were apparently sold to people leaving Hong Kong at the time of Chinese reoccupation for USD 1 000 each.
Current Views of the Principality of Sealand

The current government of the Principality of Sealand considers itself to be sovereign, and to have been recognized de facto as such on the basis of the aforementioned statements by multiple world governments. It states the following:

"The Principality of Sealand recognizes jus gentium and has undertaken to regulate any activity with a view to compliance with jus gentium and international law or to have it regulated."

The existence of the Principality as an independent State and the de facto recognition of its sovereignty has been demonstrated time and time again over the last three decades by European and other States and in particular by its nearest neighbour, the United Kingdom. Britain has stated clearly and has demonstrated on a number of occasions either that it has no jurisdiction within Principality territorial limits or that it has no interest in events that have taken place within the Principality.

Moreover, a number of independent legal experts have weighed carefully all arguments for and against Sealand sovereignty and unanimously have agreed that jus gentium applies as a basic principle underpinning the independence of the Principality. This position is further supported by de facto events which demonstrate that reality. On many occasions, other States have either left Sealand alone to deal internationally with matters critical to its National interest, or have recognised Sealand as the legal and administrative authority over all activities within its territorial limits.

Even today, the United Kingdom government recognises, inter alia, residency or work in Sealand as an overseas activity.
The Internet Comes to Sealand

Whilst Sealand has been the pride and joy of Prince Roy and his family for well over 30 years, his recent poor health has caused him fundamentally to review the arrangements which have been in place for decades and to look to the future of his Principality. Consequently, his son Prince Michael was appointed Prince Regent as Sovereign pro tempore by Royal Decree in 1999.

Since that time, the Royal Family has struck a deal with HavenCo Limited, and that company now leases exclusively its offices and operations centres in Sealand, where it offers, and is able to offer, unparalleled security and independence to users who wish to take advantage of its Internet colocation services.

The presence of an active and rapidly growing high-tech internet industry in Sealand has changed the character of the Principality; once more, Sealand rings with the sound of voices, boasts regular support ferry services, and is host to a growing and dynamic population.

Because of the high security required to support HavenCo's operations, access to Sealand remains highly restricted and no public visits are allowed. Further information or specific queries may be addressed to the Bureau of Internal Affairs (burint@sealandgov.org) at SEALAND 1001, Sealand Post Bag, IP11 9SZ, UK.

La principauté de Sealand est même venue bravement au secours des Américains:

" Principality Notice
PN 011/01: Sealand offers assistance to US

20 September 2001

The Principality condemns the recent global terrorist activities and announces that any such related activity whether real or intended undertaken within its Territorial limits shall be considered an act against Sealand Criminal Code which provides for placing any persons suspected of such activities under immediate arrest and detention at the Sovereign's pleasure.

The Principality has communicated directly with the United States of America offering its resources and making them available not only to the USA but to any State for the purpose of suppressing terrorist acts of any kind. Its sympathy and concern for all effected was expressed.

The Principality is on a state of alert, and all activities are currently subject to scrutiny by Sealand authorities who are co-operating as appropriate with the International community to combat terrorism of whatever kind. " (inégalable humour britannique -digne du film "la souris qui rugissait"-))

il suffit d'avoir l'idée, et de savoir ce qu'on veut

bon courage !

(ne pas oublier que lorsqu'on est le chef d'Etat d'un pays indépendant on peut ne pas établir de taxes sur les boissons alcoolisées)

Voici quelques années, j'étais ministre (de la bonne humeur) de la "Cyber Yougoslavie" qui gouvernait un studio à ... Paris , pendant que , sur le terrain , les ex-Yougoslaves pas cyber du tout et sans bonne humeur se tapaient les uns sur les autres. Quand les choses sont revenues dans l'"ordre" (elles reviennent toujours dans l'ordre, comme disent les Polonais: "tout finit toujours par s'arranger, même si c'est par une catastrophe"), l'O.N.U n'a plus voulu reconnaître nos passeports -il faut dire qu'ils ont quand même hésité-.

(en photo: la principauté de Sealand)

Et on pourrait

connaitre la composition du gouvernement ????
Parceque, qui dit gouvernement, dit opposition. On est gaulois non ???

Tout à fait !

Qui est le chef de cette île ? Je me propose pour mettre un peu d'ordre, sinon, où va-t-on ?
D'autant plus que j'avais postulé pour un poste de maître du monde adjoint, mais j'ai raté l'entretien d'embauche (trop "mou" qu'ils m'ont dit...).

Une île à prendre?

Mais elle a déjà un nom!
A 35 NM dans l'Ouest d'Antigua, il y a peut-être une petite île à prendre.
Moins de deux kilomètres carrés, pas de bon mouillage, mais une source
d'eau fraîche et des mangues et des papayes à volonté, en plus des noix
de coco of course. Parmi les anciens sujets du royaume, les cochons
et les poulets semblaient d'être bien acclimatés.
Et, comme l'argent n'a pas d'odeur, la richesse économique de l'île
consiste en de véritables mines à ciel ouvert de guano.

Très curieusement, bien qu'elle soit considérée comme commonwealthisée
(aujourd'hui partie du micro-état d'Antigua et Barbuda) au plan
international, Redonda n'a aucun statut juridique défini.
Selon les critères du droit international, Redonda est une prise de guerre
illégale non reconnue par la communauté internationale!

Aussi bizarre que ça puisse paraître, elle a été oubliée de tous les
traités lorsque Anglais, Français et accessoirement Espagnols et Hollandais
se partageaient la zone Caraïbe.
Inhabitée aujourd'hui, elle a été occupée en 1865 par un Irlandais un
peu louche du nom de Mathew Shiel, qui s'y installa avec sa famille et
s'en proclama roi sous le nom de Mathew the first, king of Redonda.

Ce n'était que le début d'une longue histoire à épisodes...
La Grande Bretagne a revendiqué l'île, il y a eu des procès devant
les cours internationales qui se sont succédées depuis le XIXème, et
les Anglais ont toujours été déboutés. Leur prise de possession
virtuelle (ils n'ont jamais envoyé la royal navy) étant déclarée
illégale, ils ont fini dans les années 1920 par reconnaître le royaume,
et anoblir son roi, à condition qu'il se reconnaisse vassal de celui
de GB.

Entre temps, Philip premier, fils de Mathew avait succédé à son père et fut
considéré comme roi jusqu'à sa mort en 1947. N'ayant pas d'héritier
direct, il désigna comme successeur le poète John Gowsworth (John the
First of Redonda) qui abdiqua en 1967, moyennant finances, en faveur
de Sir Arthur John Roberts. PLusieurs proprios se succédèrent alors,
spéculant les uns sur les 200 NM d'eaux "économiques", les autres
envisagent d'en faire un paradis fiscal ou un camp de nudistes.

Seulement, voilà...
Cette île aujourd'hui est inhabitée.
Son statut international est flou. Et les titres de propriété des
derniers acheteurs n'ont, de ce fait, aucune valeur.
Bref, elle peut appartenir au premier qui sera assez culotté pour en
prendre possession comme au temps des conquistadors, s'en proclamer
roi, et surtout en faire sa résidence permanente.
Un hélico pour faire les courses et quelques ex-paras mercenarisés pour
écarter d'autres prétendants seraient des précautions utiles.

Pour être légitime aux yeux du gotha, il y a quelques traditions
à respecter: Déposer les usurpateurs Robert le chauve et King Leo,
un anglais et un américain qui n'y ont jamais mis les pieds, reconnaître
pour suzerain l'actuel roi-bouffon d'Antigua et Anguilla, Bird The second,
un drôle d'oiseau ça ne s'invente pas (déposé en 2004, mais toujours
prétendant officiel!) installer son ambassade à la taverne Fitzroy
à Londres, et faire de la Guiness la boisson officielle de la cour.

Nez en moins, si vos ambitions sont plus modestes, vous pouvez servir
à la cour du très contesté Bob Premier (Robert le chauve) et même postuler
pour le job de grand amiral de la flotte royale de Redonda.
www.antiguanice.com[...]edonda/

une ile deserte !?

:-) Christian envoi encore des infos sur cette ile !

comme disait Jacques

une île
une ile au large de l'espoir
et ou les hommes n'auraient pas peur
et douce et calme
comme ton miroir
une ile
claire comme un matin de paques
offrant l'oceane langueur
d'une sirene a chaque vague

O viens viens mon amour
la bas ne seraient point ces fous?
qui nous disent d'etre sage
et que 20 ans est le bel âge!
voici venu le temps de vivre
voici venu le temps d'aimer!
une ile
une ile au large de l'amour
posée surl'autel de la mer
satin couché sur le velours
une ile
chaude comme la tendresse
espérante comme un désert
qu'un nuage de pluie caresse

o viens viens mon amour
là-bas ne seraient point ces fous?
qui nous cachent les longues plages
viens mon amour
fuyons l'orage
Voici venu le temps de vivre
voici venu le temps d'aimer

une ile
et qu'il nous reste a batir
mais qui donc pourrait retenir
les reves que l'on fait a deux

une ile
voici qu'une ile est en partance
et qui sommeillait en nos yeux
depuis les portes de l'enfance

O viens viens mon amour
car c'est là-bas que tout commence
je crois à la dernière chance
et tu es celle que je veux
voici venu le temps de vivre
voici venu le temps d'aimer

une Île...

simple

l ile hisse et oh

Reynett, j'y pensais à l'envers,

Ile etElle

J'essaye...........

Puisque c'est pour faire hommage à la navigation de plaisance,je dirais:

.............ILE EN FAUT DE LA THUNE..........

ILE LADY mais...

cette île si convoitée avant même que d'exister... qui va y accoster ?

*le voisin de ponton ?
que nenni ! trop rasoirs avec ses histoires..

alors , qui aura l'indicible honneur et avantage de pouvoir aborder mon île, ton île, notre île parée de mille vertus ?

Pour ma part, en tant que... secrétaire - adjointe des colonies de marsoins, j'accepte volontiers que viennent s'y reposer tous les marsoins aux yeux bleus.

ET VOUS ?

marsouines

:-)houps autoriser pfffffffff